Politics After the Jump.

"Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis" (Dwhite95)
07/19/2018 at 16:33 • Filed to: None

Just an interesting article I stumbled across.

When politicians take about appealing to “real Americans ” they are no more or less American that you are. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

DISCUSSION (32)

For Sweden > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
07/19/2018 at 16:40

It’s almost like that’s how American Federalism has worked for the last (checks date) 229 years

crowmolly > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
07/19/2018 at 16:45

I thought they were just appealing to Hulk Hogan. Or possibly Rick Derringer.

deekster_caddy > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 16:46

https://youtu.be/t2c-X8HiBng?t=1m18s

HammerheadFistpunch > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
07/19/2018 at 16:48

I hate the qualifier “real”. its a one word strawman. Thats not a “real” truck. Thats not a “real” [brand] vehicle. it draws the argument to debate what “real” means instead of debating the merits of the actual argument. its also overly flattering if you are inferred to be in the “real” group while simultaneously alienating the “not real” group.

Spanfeller is a twat > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
07/19/2018 at 16:48

It’s hard to judge... I personally would like it if the Mexican Senate was disbanded and we only had the chamber of deputies (the one that is democratic) however, given how stupid some people are (and selfish) I understand why people find solace in a senate. A chamber of deputies made up of mostly urban people might feel compelled to ignore the people in the countryside, and thats kind of unfair. But then people in smaller states abuse of the extra representation, it’s hard to balance.

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 17:04

Well, that’s not quite how it has worked for 229 years. Cough...3/5ths Compromise...cough.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > HammerheadFistpunch
07/19/2018 at 17:06

you’re not my “real” dad

Berang > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
07/19/2018 at 17:12

The republican party, (not) surprisingly has taken a page from communists, in appealing to rural bumpkin dipshits, kissing their asses, telling them they’re doing the “real” hard work in this country, and the people in cities, sit around all day and do nothing but steal their money. This approach always turns out well for the country, it’s one thing you can count on if history is worth remembering.

Plus why would you put any effort into appealing to the majority, when their vote is worth less?

ttyymmnn > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
07/19/2018 at 17:18

Funny, my son keeps telling me that. And he doesn’t look at all like me.....

facw > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 17:22

It has been getting worse though, as they stopped expanding the House, meaning that representation is more unequal than it has been in the past in the House and the Electoral College.

The Congressional Apportionment Amendment, originally the 1st of the 12 articles that would become the Bill of Rights (the other one of the 12 that didn’t make it was the 2nd article, which was eventually ratified as the 27th Amendment ) , would help address this (though it would give us a shit-ton of representatives . It fell just short of ratification in the 18th century, but has dropped off as none of the states added since 1792 has ratified it.

For Sweden > facw
07/19/2018 at 17:27

Sounds like those new states should get crack-a-lackin and ratify the amendment !

WRXforScience > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 17:32

Until the Civil War, the Federal government was weak and had little bearing on the daily lives of the average citizen. For the first hundred years of the US, the people thought themselves the citizens of their states and had little concern for the federal government. This made sense, people lived and died without traveling more than 30mi from the same spot. The states were markedly different and information, commerce, and authority traveled slowly if at all.

Hell, states issued their own currency for more than a generation after the founding of the US.

The majority of people lived in rural areas until the 20th century, and then in the course of a generation or two, the world changed. My grandfather is 94, he was born closer to the assassination of Abraham Lincoln than to today. He grew up in a time when the main mode of transportation was walking or riding horses. When he was a boy, the idea of average people flying in airplanes was science fiction, when I was a boy I would fly halfway across the country in an afternoon to spend my summers at his house (which is actually older than he is, and until a few years ago still had a hitching post in the yard and the garage was an old stable).

When WWII started, the Civil War was as old to them as World War II is to us now. The first settlers were as far removed from the Founding Fathers as they are to us today.

To think that a system created in an era so removed from modern day is still the best way to govern is pure delusion. It persists only because it is able to change and adapt (albeit slowly), and to retard that very process is an attack more egregious than any proposed change imaginable. Our government has persisted in spite of the Founders, not because of them.

facw > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 17:41

They should! It’s only 27 states short at this point!

For Sweden > facw
07/19/2018 at 17:41

Looks like California hasn’t ratified it.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Berang
07/19/2018 at 18:18

That’s what I’m always confused about. Us city folk are “liberal elites” (not my words) yet at the same time we’re bums living in our moms basements and mooching off the system. All the while creating a huge portion of the nation’s economic activity. It’s almost as if stupid generalizations are stupid.

fintail > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 18:47

Looking at so many human development/quality of life factors today, “worked” might be generous.

For Sweden > fintail
07/19/2018 at 19:37

USA is 10th out of 188 in the Human Development Index.

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/all/themes/hdr_theme/country-notes/USA.pdf

fintail > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 19:51

Nothing to brag about given the claimed virtues of bootstrapism.

And among developed/first world nations?

For Sweden > fintail
07/19/2018 at 19:59

Among developed/first world nations, I assume the USA is 10th at worst.

fintail > For Sweden
07/19/2018 at 22:20

Out of 10.

You’ll likely find the worst poverty in the first world in the US.

For Sweden > fintail
07/20/2018 at 00:11

There’s only 10 first world nations?

fintail > For Sweden
07/20/2018 at 00:53

No, I just said 10 out of 10.

I can’t think of one first world/fully developed nation with overall worse HDIs than the US.

For Sweden > fintail
07/20/2018 at 01:06

If you look at the Index , countries that have worse HDIs than the USA include

New Zealand

United Kingdom

Sweden (!)

France

Belgium

Austria

Italy

South Korea

Japan

fintail > For Sweden
07/20/2018 at 11:37

Ah the UN, the same ones who (likely accurately) claim the worst poverty in the developed world exists in the southeast US.

I find the inequality-adjusted HDI to be more reflective of the real life enjoyed by people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI

For Sweden > fintail
07/20/2018 at 11:39

Just imagine how bad the poverty must be in Japan then!

fintail > For Sweden
07/20/2018 at 11:45

Adjust for inequality/Gini and think about it.

Not even close to Alabama?

For Sweden > fintail
07/20/2018 at 11:49

From your link

Kinja'd!!!

fintail > For Sweden
07/20/2018 at 11:53

If you can show any evidence of poverty in Japan even remotely approaching what exists in wide swaths of the US, you are free to do it. Or just keep pretending things are fine, it’s all cool.

France on the other hand, or even crappier parts of Sweden, possibly, some dumdum stuff there.

For Sweden > fintail
07/20/2018 at 11:56

The inequality-adjusted HDI isn’t evidence?

fintail > For Sweden
07/20/2018 at 14:55

That Japan has similar poverty to shithole regions of the US? No, it’s not.

But maybe I am wrong, and the US is similar to other first world countries. Just none I’ve visited.

For Sweden > fintail
07/20/2018 at 14:56

Then why even bring up the inequality-adjusted HDI?

fintail > For Sweden
07/20/2018 at 14:57

Because overall, it is a more accurate measure. I never claimed perfection.

Why be so pedantic and devils-advocatey over this?